1000 miles on a tank of hydrogen???

"boredalways" (boredalway666) 08/12/2020 at 20:49 • Filed to: Hyperion XP-1, Road Show, Cnet, hydrogen, Hydrogen Cars, prototype

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zipfuel > boredalways 08/12/2020 at 20:58

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G iven the average mileage a hypercar sees, that’s only gonna be like 15 refills over its lifetime.

boredalways > zipfuel 08/12/2020 at 21:00

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impressive

ranwhenparked > zipfuel 08/12/2020 at 21:05

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That might be high, I’d expect more like 5-7, tops. 

bison78 > boredalways 08/12/2020 at 21:19

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As mentioned, we don’t have the jui cy performance specs, but the XP-1 will allegedly do 0-60 mph in 2.2 seconds

Bullshit alert. You need either a massive fuel cell (too bi g for a car) or a large battery in order to get the necessary power in order to acce lerate at this rate.

onlytwowheels > boredalways 08/12/2020 at 22:52

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phenotyp > boredalways 08/12/2020 at 23:08

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Jesus fuck that’s a lot of work for something so ugly. 

Merkin Muffley > boredalways 08/12/2020 at 23:13

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its easier to see the appeal of hydrogen cars once you watch a Mirai do a complete refuel in under 5 minutes. Way under.

Tekamul > bison78 08/12/2020 at 23:16

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P robably caps not batteries. Save the weight, but shite for long term storage. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Merkin Muffley 08/12/2020 at 23:21

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yeah, hydrogen has got its problems but using solar to make hydrogen and then hydrogen to power cars isn’t the worst idea. sure you lose a lot you could put directly into a BEV, but you don’t have to lug around a battery and you don’t have to sit around for the charge to come up to 80% in 30 minutes. The long part of the process happens when you aren’t there.

Merkin Muffley > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2020 at 23:38

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Toyota isn’t run by idiots. They’ve run the math and see a path to ubiquitous hydrogen.... And it’s much easier to see how you ‘harvest ‘ solar energy and store it offline in the form of hydrogen— grid power, transport, Aviation. Even with the claimed “efficiency “ differences, having excess solar does you no good if you are throwing the bulk of it away via “curtailment”. (California does this daily for a good part of the year)

I think it’s a marathon not a sprint. Nobody is really ahead yet because nobody even knows what the race course will  be.

bison78 > Tekamul 08/13/2020 at 02:01

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Probably caps not batteries. Save the weight, but shite for long term storage.

I had not considered UltraCapacitors. The capacity required to get the necessary power would be much smaller than with batteries, but the energy density of UltraCaps is also much lower. Not sure how it would all work out.

pip bip - choose Corrour > boredalways 08/13/2020 at 03:35

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gib!

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > boredalways 08/13/2020 at 22:08

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I’ll only be interested if this thing actually delivers on it’s promise to DEFY PHYSICS.

There is no way enough hydrogen can be stored on that car to do what they claim.

There is no way a big enough fuel cell to supply enough electricity for those motors and performance numbers, even with capacitors.

There is no way to refuel a car like that without a tanker truck as a tender.

It would cost more money to gather enough H2, compress, cryogenically store, safeguard against fire and explosion, and manage the hydrogen before it leaks and evaporates, than fuel would cost.

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe... but we don’t live on the SUN... here on earth, it is combined with other things, and not a free radical, because it is also the most readily reactive element on the periodic table to combine with other elements... being the simplest element in Period 1.

All for a car that looks like an impractical and barely feasible copy of Bugatti and Citroen concept cars.

Can’t someone put time and effort into something real, and something tangible for the mainstream population, rather than vaporware for the ultra-rich, who probably won’t see this become reality anyway, and even if it does, they already have 3 dozen other multi-million-dollar cars in their climate controlled warehouses and various garages at their multiple mansions... or they don’t care about cars, and get driven and flown around by staff anyway.

boredalways > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 08/13/2020 at 23:29

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Let’s be honest here. The car looks the way it does to simply draw attention, interests, and investors.

Think about how long it took for the Big 3 to even take notice of Tesla — wasn’t that around 3 years too late?

If the Hyperion can get to 40-50% of what they are claiming, then I would call this stage a success, especially on the very valid points you put forth.